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Will the Denver Nuggets Make the 2009 NBA Playoffs?

We have had a lot of good debate the past couple of days regarding the playoff prospects of the Denver Nuggets for the upcoming season.  Unlike the presidential election it has all been very civilized.  I think everyone has presented very good arguments on both sides of the debate and has further solidified my belief that those of you who comment and post here are some of the most astute fans around.

I have been carrying the torch for the Nuggets lately saying that I think the Nuggets have a very good shot at making the playoffs.  My primary arguments have been that Marcus Camby will not be nearly as difficult to replace as the national media thinks and the Nuggets are still as talented, or even more talented, as anyone they will be battling against for the last playoff spots.  And honestly, even though being a Nuggets fan has programmed me to be pessimistic, after reading all the negative perceptions regarding the Nuggets a little bit of the momma bear in me rose to the surface and I found it necessary to defend my helpless little bear cub.  Now only if I could muster as much concern for my own kids as I do the Nuggets.

There are also some other reasons why I believe the Nuggets will have a good shot at making the playoffs next season.

The west will still be a very difficult conference, but I think the number eight seed will make the playoffs with 44 to 46 wins next season.  I believe apart from the Lakers, Hornets, and Jazz there is a lot of instability among the upper middle class of the conference.  Houston added the Ron Artest Experience and I think that deal is similar to the Nuggets trade for Allen Iverson.  It is a go for broke transaction that no one can know for sure how it will turn out.  Throw in the injury histories of Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady and who knows what to expect from them.  San Antonio has been slipping ever so slightly over the previous three or four years as their supporting cast has grown older and less capable and the ever balding Ginobili is battling what is becoming a chronic ankle problem.  Phoenix is no longer the dominant team they were a very short time ago and they have a new coach, a deteriorating Shaq and are lead by Steve Nash who will turn 35 just before the All-Star break.

That brings us to the Dallas Mavericks who finished a mere one game ahead of the Nuggets last season.  I honestly believe Dallas is a house of cards right now.  They made the controversial Jason Kidd trade knowing that it was a move to improve the team in the present while sacrificing some of the future.  Well it looks like they greatly reduced the team’s effectiveness in both the present and the future as they limped to a 16-13 record after the trade last season and were easily bounced from the playoffs by the New Orleans Hornets in the first round.  Kidd only solidified the opinion that he is old and fading quickly with his play in the Olympics.  Dirk Nowitzki is 30 now and has played nine seasons of participating in anywhere from 76 to 82 games and has averaged about 37 minutes a game over those nine seasons.  Both his per game averages and his PER have dropped off significantly relative to where they were during the 2005-2006 season when he lead the Mavericks to the finals.  Plus who knows how Josh Howard’s need to repeatedly make a fool of himself will affect the team.  Rick Carlisle may be wondering what he got himself into, much like my wife.

Not only will the upper middle class of the conference be weaker next year, but the lower class will be better.  Oklahoma City, Minnesota and Sacramento will fall into the categories of improved to much improved.  The Clippers may have lost Elton Brand, but they played most of last season without him anyway and the additions of Baron Davis and Marcus Camby (although I have a difficult time buying them as a playoff contender) will clearly make them more competitive.

Out of the teams that finished outside the playoffs looking in last season the only team that I believe needs to be taken seriously is Portland.  As I just stated, the Clippers will be better, but not 21 to 23 wins better.  Some believe Golden State can compete for a playoff spot, but I do not see it.  As far as Golden State goes, say what you want about Baron Davis, but he made Golden State what they were.  Sure he took horrible shots, a lot of horrible shots, so many atrocious frightening horrible shots, but he was a leader who embodied their system on the floor.  Then take into account they will be without Monta Ellis for at least all of November and perhaps December as well and I think they are undoubtedly going to struggle.  (It may seem inconsistent to say Los Angeles will not be considerably better with Baron Davis, and then say Golden State is doomed without him, but it all has to do with the style of play.  Davis was perfect for Nellie Ball, not so perfect for Dunleavy Ball.  If Nellie Ball is Kung Fu, then Dunleavy Ball is the Scottish martial art of Fuk U as described by Mike Myers in So I Married an Axe Murder.)

As all the teams in the west stand right now, I think the last two playoff spots come down to a three way battle between Dallas, Portland and Denver.

We have already dealt with Dallas.  As far as Portland, I could see them finishing with 55 wins and I could see them finishing with 41 again.  I believe there will be an adjustment period as they add Greg Oden to their rotation and I also think Oden will struggle too, at least over the first month or two of the season.  On the other hand a crunch time lineup of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden and Travis Outlaw/Jerryd Bayless/Martell Webster sounds pretty formidable.

Keep in mind anything can happen.  Chris Paul could blow out his knee on the first day of training camp, Kobe might further injure his pinky and miss most of the season and the Nuggets could send AI packing and all of this high quality analysis will go flying out the window.  Right now if I had to make a prediction, I believe the Nuggets and Blazers will make the postseason

No matter what happens, I think we are in for an exciting season and at best another first round exit.  (And the typical Nuggets fan pessimism once again rears its ugly head.)

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The negative reaction to the Camby trade has been really over-dramatic. He was a great help defender, one of the best, but people always seem to forget that his one-on-one defense was atrocious. Bigger Centers would brush him out of the way like a piece of paper in the wind.
Nene is a good player, with potential that every Nug fan knows about and he knows it. He has a lot of pride and knows that he must prove that he is worth the big contract.
AI is still the friggin Answer and Melo is a Gold medalist. What is everybody worried about?? Losing Camby just allows the offense to flow even better.

Plus, the Mavs are old farts.

by hbombfantastic on Sep 18, 2008 1:48 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ultimately, it comes down to one thing

Can Nene stay healthy? If yes, we sneak in. If no, well, we’re starting Chris Andersen.

The artist formerly known as Nuggets4.

by JLucas4092 on Sep 18, 2008 2:22 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about Steven Hunter?

Seriously though, my main thoughts are these:

Houston will have a superb year. I think the Ron Artest trade was nothing like the AI trade: They certainly didn’t “go for broke”, the main asset they lost was Donte Green, a promising rookie but not a big loss. Ron-Ron isn’t going to need to come up huge to put the Rockets in the Western Conference finals. He isn’t going to average more than 25-30 mins. All he needs to do is harass the hell out of the opponents best player till he gets tired so Shane Battier can take over (it’ll be horrible to see what they do to Melo and AI this season). Don’t forget, also, that T-Mac produced 22 consecutive wins last season without Yao or Ron. Add Artest to Battier and thats two legit perimeter defenders plus one of the best centres in the game. Look for Houston to win 62. I can’t express how scary and interesting the Rockets will be this season.

Portland will disappoint. I’m pretty sure I’ve already said this somewhere but since when does adding a rookie shooter and a rookie center with knee issues and whose best college numbers were like 15 and 9 turn a team into a playoff contender? Its a such a young, raw team. Teams like that are not contenders. In a few years, sure, they will be scary as hell. But I see them losing to us for the 8th seed.

And can I say how wonderful that image of Kobe Bryant’s ACL spontaneosly tearing at training camp is to me. That would make things fascinating; a Kobe-less Lakers team. George Karl’s kid would see some serious minutes.

Nuggets scrape in, in characterist style.

by joshhopp on Sep 18, 2008 6:17 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About Oden.

His college numbers are very comparable to some of the big man greats. Keep in mind he played with his off hand in college.

What doesn’t always show up in stats though is his defensive presence. He also averaged 3.3 blocks and the reason he went number 1 (and has been sought after since middle school) is what he can do on defense. He knows where to be, when to jump, how to use every part of his body to keep his man from scoring. Greg Oden is very quick for his size, very smart and freakishly athletic.

Yes Oden will need time to adjust just the same as 99% of rookies, but don’t underestimate the impact he can make even if stats don’t show it. The Oden hype came long before he was drafted and there is a reason for it.

Brandon Roy is young but he is as good a leader as you can ask for. Smart, can play very good, calming and does not make people feel like a lesser member of the team. DWade said it best when he said Brandon Roy is a calmer version of himself. Wade will score more but Brandon turns it over less.

Don’t get me wrong I can understand why you think could we’ll disappoint being so young, but after watching our guys mature and knowing full well what Oden can do I think we’ll actually end up surprising the doubters.

by Bskey on Sep 18, 2008 6:46 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brandon Roy...

…is one of my favorite players in the league. He is off-the-charts awesome; no one needs to sell him to me. My issues are with Oden and Bayless, and while I have little doubt that their talent will eventually translate big-time in the pros, I just don’t think they will have the impact the preseason buzz is suggesting. But we’ll see…

by joshhopp on Sep 18, 2008 9:27 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I’m not one of the fans who think Oden will have an immediate big time impact, but I think combined with LMA and Roy being one year farther along Oden will provide a big enough impact to get us into the playoffs. Like you said though, we’ll see.

by Bskey on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not even sure

that the Blazers needed Oden to be a playoff team this year. I really think that last year’s team, with another year of seasoning, gets the 8 spot. I think when you add Oden and Bayless, along with the year of experience, you’re talking about a potential top 4 seed.

I’m not as sold on the Artest move. I’ve never been an Artest fan. I agree that it’s a deal you have to make if you’re Houston (just like the AI move was for us), but the chemistry is volatile. I honestly think Battier is a better player than Artest, and this move could seriously backfire. That said, they’re still a top 4 seed even if it explodes.

The artist formerly known as Nuggets4.

by JLucas4092 on Sep 19, 2008 10:02 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Artest trade

What I mean when I say it was a go for broke trade was not a matter of what they gave up, but they added a potentially combustible asset to the mix and I believe if acquiring Artest does not propel them into the finals in the next year or two you will see them trade everyone except Yao and start over. Especially if they continue to disappoint in the playoffs and lose early like our Nuggets do.

by Jeremy on Sep 18, 2008 9:16 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

This article’s sole argument rests on the hope that the rest of the teams in the Western Conference (by the REST I mean the playoff contenders not named Lakers, Jazz or Hornets, who are shoo-ins) anyway, it is based on the hope (not fact) that the rest of the teams in the Western Conference will, because of various reasons, slip. Correct me if I’m wrong, but besides the Nuggets, no “middle class” team in the West lost one of their essential players. Why do I call Mr. Camby-man essential? Because he was the last line of defense on the horsepower Nuggets. And the small glimpses of defense from Mr. Najera are gone as well. I’m not counting AI or Carmelo or JR out of the playoff race, maybe a miracle will happen, but this is a very speculative argument.

by What? on Sep 22, 2008 12:31 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not bad...

I’m glad you pointed out your own seeming contradiction on Baron Davis – and I think the point that he fits a Don Nelson team better than an MDsr team is valid. In fact, I’m hoping (though not hopeful) that MDsr let’s the team run this season. We’ll see.

I think that in general the Nuggets have been too easily dismissed by most this off-season. Camby’s departure notwithstanding, there is a LOT of talent on that roster. But much is riding on the health and productivity of Nene and KMart. That could be a big problem.

I don’t think Dallas’ fall will be quite so complete, but you make a compelling argument. So for me, I think it comes down to the Nuggets and the Blazers and the Clippers for the last spot (yes, I have to include the Clippers). I think the thing about the Clippers is that there are so many changes, it’s impossible to predict. They could win 30 games – they could win 50. But I think they’re in the mix.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2008 4:56 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be much of a Camby fan...

…if I didn’t agree that the Clips could surprise a few of the doubters this season. They may be limited offensively but BD can score in bunches on any given night, and Eric Gordon just needs to learn how to get to the NBA free throw line.

by joshhopp on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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